Well, I mean there are trends in species, in zoos. You know, giant pandas are probably always gonna be popular. There’s the bread and butter species. I remember Bruce Reed always talking about the bread and butter species. And Ted Reed considered the B and camels to be a bread… Read More
So I talked with him, he said, I gotta talk with, with the union steward. So he went over to the shops building and talked with the union steward. And union steward said, no, he is gotta do it. You know, so he told him that he had to stick… Read More
I mean, I had that, I had one keeper and Jimmy, he had it in for this guy because he was a union guy and he didn’t want anyone pushing him around. And Jimmy said, we can’t have a keeper who can occasionally change their, their runs. You have to… Read More
Well, I think it, yeah, I mean that should just be part of the package. Yeah. I mean, anybody going into that where you’re, you’re managing personnel if you’re, well, you’re talking about keepers, I’m talking about curators, I’m talking about curators. Understanding, yeah, They Have to, Yeah, caters have… Read More
That sort of thing, you know?… Read More
Now, based on that running front, royal being in charge of the national zoo for a time, you feel today that curators probably need more classes, understanding of people management aside from animals?… Read More
So I said, is there anybody else I can call?… Read More
And so he gave me somebody a San Diego Zoo. So I called San Diego Zoo, same thing. So then I brought the gals together and we sat down and said, okay. And they were waiting ’cause they wanted to press, this was gonna be a full court press to… Read More
I said, well, here’s the issue. And I explained it to him and he says, don’t do it came apart. He says, as soon as you put ’em in, there’s gonna be a fight and one of ’em is gonna die. He says, you can’t do it. He said, you… Read More
And he re he staunchly refused to do it. He said, we’re not gonna do it because they’ll fight. He said, we’ve done that. So I talked with Jimmy and then they went to me, they kind of went around the chain of command and they came to me and… Read More
You know, it was this community of scientists doing all kinds of work and a lot of ’em interfaced with the Brookfield Zoo, the Lincoln Park Zoo. And it was just an interesting place to work. I liked it a lot. And there were challenges. I had to get into… Read More
And it was like a feeding trough for the frogs. So they would come up to get fed. And I was just fascinated and amazed and highly entertained by seeing this kind of research going and meeting this character who was this wizard at electronics or at electrical circuitry and… Read More
It was just covered, there’s a heap of parts, mechanical parts that had been pulled outta motors and things like that. And he had made that, what they wanted to do is breed these frogs in captivity so they didn’t have to buy them from the wild so they could… Read More
But I got up there and I was waxing eloquent about the evolution of a social organization and ti in Saber tooth tigers, which was something I was very interested in. I had already published a paper, ran it by George Scholler and made the argument that if, if Saber… Read More
I was used to that having grown up in San Francisco, I remember there was one guy, this was a friend of George’s. I mean George knew everybody in Chicago, all the scientists down the museum. He had long standing relationships with them. And for some reason we went over… Read More
I went up to Lincoln Park. I don’t know if I met you at Lincoln Park. I remember meeting Dennis and Eisenberg was always impressed that Dennis had this armadillo collection. And you know, ’cause one of the bennys of working in a zoo, if you’re a curator, is that… Read More
So yeah, I got to know, I mean, of course I met Les Fisher and I used to, they used to take us down to the board meetings someplace in the loop with the mahogany paneled, you know, board room and the old guys that were railroad tycoons and the… Read More
What was your relationship with Lincoln Parks?… Read More
Erin Muller was her name. And interesting neighbors. And we got kind of fit into the community a little bit and used to commute with Ben to work, met all the lead keepers, you know, like Jimmy Row. And it was, it was great fun. I liked the, the office… Read More
What was your impression?… Read More