And you know, he’s the problem, if you get rid of him, you’ve cut the head off the snake. And those aren’t the words. But that was basically the, that’s how I interpreted what I heard. And this gal who was working in the Smithsonian who had worked for New… Read More
And then he went to his representatives here in Chicago. And I mean, it was a nationwide sort sort of thing, saving the cons, those conservation departments in the institution. It was an amazing thing that happened and it was an amazing response, but we were able to change it,… Read More
And Bob Hoag, who was a good friend of mine, he was in charge of the, the PR department used to go to meetings with them, the PR people then in the Smithsonian and somebody, I think maybe it’s, I won’t mention names, but I think it, it was a… Read More
And he gave me, he got it, audioly improved. They edited it and cleaned it up so you could hear it better. And basically they wanted to, you know, gimme the ax job and get me out and make a deal with him. And I, I knew that he had… Read More
When, when you were doing this with the front royal, the closing potential and, and the saving and stuff, and you were in the news and so forth, what was the director’s position with you and your being quoted in man?… Read More
Supportive, not supportive. Neutral. I would hear, well, she didn’t like it. I can’t remember. I mean, I dug my heels in, you know, I, I didn’t like what was happening and I let it be known and I thought it was a mistake and I didn’t like the way… Read More
But I went back and they had a big bash out at Front Royal and I mean, they had the loud speakers in music and everybody was playing volleyball and getting, drinking beer. And I got up and talked about what I was gonna do and what a great place… Read More
And I don’t know who did it, I didn’t set it up, but they got, my secretary knew all the people that I interacted with in the Smithsonian. So they all made an appearance and they all, and George Rap came out for that. And they all got up there… Read More
And kind of wrapped it up and left, got in a pickup truck, actually, we, or pick up a U-Haul. We took two trucks, drove to California two times, bringing our junk out, got rid of a lot of stuff, got rid of a huge number of books, still came… Read More
So I real, I had, I figured it out, Gerald, Vanessa, I was on vacation, I took some leave and I was out in California. Gerald called me up and he said, you know, Christy said, he, he said, you’ve got, you know, another year and a half to retirement. Read More
We knew what the givens were, we knew that research was high. And you know, these quotes had come out that small had said, we’re gonna get those curators under control. Because in fact, most of the curators probably at the Smithsonian were left-leaning kind of intellectual types and were… Read More
So he wanted to close, actually it was, I think it was three different units of the Smithsonian. Each of them had the name conservation in their titles. One of them was a materials conservation lab that dealt with conserving archival materials, paper and wood and things like that. And… Read More
I can’t remember all these details. But this guy started writing messages to people in and mustering support and letters, went out to everybody that had taken Rudy Rubin’s Wildlife Management Training course, and people that had taken the zoo biology training course. And pretty soon the Smithsonian was swamped… Read More
And to make a long story short, resistance movement developed very quickly. And a postdoc who was then one of the Zeus postdocs who had become a professor at Loyola, I think it was, no, it wasn’t Loyola University in Baltimore, it was the other university in Baltimore, and not… Read More
And he, I, what the hell was the name?… Read More
And the gal who was my contact there, I’d known for many years, I called her up and I said, I gotta, I said, I gotta go down and meet these guys. And she said, okay, we just need to know what you’re doing. So it was registered and it… Read More
And I went down there and we met with a number of congressmen and told ’em what was going, they wanna know what’s going, they were upset, you know, what the hell’s going on and why did they decide to do this?… Read More
The friends of CRC that was headed up by a, the third largest law firm in dc. His name was, took Kroll, he did with defense contract lawyering. And he headed up this, the, our, this fundraising apparatus that had been approved by Mike Robinson. And, and so that was… Read More
So it was like, what the hell is going on?… Read More
Well, we had, we had, at that time, we had a, a support organization called the, the, what was it?… Read More