You know, it was this community of scientists doing all kinds of work and a lot of ’em interfaced with the Brookfield Zoo, the Lincoln Park Zoo. And it was just an interesting place to work. I liked it a lot. And there were challenges. I had to get into personnel challenges. One of them was that the small mammal keepers in the small mammal house that worked for Jimmy Rao were a couple of old guys. And there were two young gals that had college educations and they had their own ideas about how things should be done and with good reason. I mean, they, they knew something about the biology and they had, we had two tarsiers there, two Philippine Tarsiers, I think they were. And the gals had been pressuring Jimmy to put the tar shoes together.
