So yeah, I got to know, I mean, of course I met Les Fisher and I used to, they used to take us down to the board meetings someplace in the loop with the mahogany paneled, you know, board room and the old guys that were railroad tycoons and the Ko Humel family was there. And I mean, they were all there, you know. So it was a good experience. And then what I found out was that living in Chicago is just as exciting as living in Washington DC with the Smithsonian Field Museum was a fantastic place. And there were all these universities. And I remember I gave a talk at this. George wanted me to give a lecture to their benefactors and members one night. And I had, I probably had two beers before I got up and spoke.
