They’re, in your life, there are some interesting things that happen that at the time, you know, look and feel like maybe a failure or something that didn’t work out and actually turn out to be a really good in the long run. Not getting the, you know, not getting… Read More
When did you graduate from veterinary school?… Read More
I graduated– Well, I graduated from Oklahoma State in 1963. Read More
Why did you think being a vet would get you to where you want it to go?… Read More
It seemed like it was a more useful discipline. I mean, it, from a, you know, from a standpoint of doing something useful for the animals, for being able to do something on a zoo wide basis, it was a much more useful discipline because not only the medical aspects,… Read More
And so basically that’s why I went into veterinary medicine, right. You know, I had a full beard and mustache and the whole bit. Luckily was told just before I went up to interview for vet school that they’d never accepted anybody with a, with a beard. And so I… Read More
Actually born in February the 20th, 1938, which makes me kind of one of the old gray backs or whatever. And in Tucson, Arizona, I was born and raised in Tucson, Arizona in the desert, then foothills outside of Tucson. Of course, now that’s all part of the city, but… Read More
They had a, they had a little menagerie and, and they had a gorilla and of course we paid our admission and we went in to see the gorillas and the whatever. And it turns out, of course it wasn’t a gorilla, it was a Chimp. And it climbed up… Read More
And the, my real start with the zoo world was I walked into the Oklahoma City Zoo and into the reptile gardens with a bag full of snakes, actually a pillowcase full of snakes, that I’d collected and met Bob Jenny, who was curator of reptiles there. And then ultimate… Read More
He, they didn’t have a veterinarian. He only called veterinarians when the, when the animal was, was (mumbles), that was going to die. And, but, but he tolerated me because I don’t think he really believed I was going to go ahead and become a vet. So you wanted to… Read More
And I did it with Spelman that time with the giraffe, I did it with John a couple of times. And I did it on issues that I I felt very strongly about in, but I think I turned this around. I think I hired some good people while I… Read More
But ultimately you had the opportunity to come back. Yes, I did. To in a way help the zoo, which you did. Which I did, and I honestly think that I did what I was being paid to do. I honestly felt sorry that Lucy could not maintain the job… Read More
And he was for the first couple of years. And then I don’t know what was going on, but I think he started to look around for another job. I know he wanted to become secretary of the interior and he was really pushing for that. And he had some… Read More
And I said, “Well, what do you mean by every death?… Read More
Are you talking about every animal that goes up the pathology to be posted?” “Yes.” Well that includes a fish, it includes a frog. It could even include a spider or something if it was, but when you report that you’re gonna report numbers of deaths not what the numbers… Read More
I mean, he stayed another four years and things didn’t get any better. And then his last, if my friends see this tape, they’re gonna kill me for saying this stuff. I know they are, anyway, but I know it’s not nice to talk ill of the past, but anyhow. Read More
So you made a decision to leave?… Read More
I made a decision to leave, and as I said, in Mike’s last decision when he left in 2000 was to get rid of Front Royal. I mean, it was just insanity to do that. And there was no reason for it. I mean, he was leaving. So he had… Read More
I mean, what does that mean?… Read More
We’re a zoo, we have plants, and we have water and we’ve got animals, but I guess if you wanna call it a bio park, that’s fine, but we’re really a zoological park. And we have ancillary exhibits of plants, but if you wanna call it that, that’s fine, but… Read More