We had all these long, wide sidewalks with steel handrails, and he convinced me to cut down the steel handrails, cut curves in the sidewalk, put in more natural material like split-rail fences and things, and planted it stem to stern. And within about two years, I was getting more… Read More
Well, we’re not called Riverbanks Zoo for anything. We’re on the banks of a very big river with no bridge, no way to get over there, back then. Plus Mehrtens spent all of the money on the zoo in its location and wouldn’t spend any money across the river. So… Read More
Can you tell me something about botanical garden and the horticulture and how the zoo was involved in that?… Read More
Yes. In addition to being involved in the AZA, I also was a member of the World Zoo and Aquarium Association, WAZA. Ultimately became chair of that board as well, which was not a lot of fun. But I went to a WASA conference. I want to say Antwerp, but… Read More
Was in the middle of this massive city, tall buildings all around. And you walk in, and a small zoo, few acres, and you’re in an oasis. And they did something I had never seen before, which was vertical horticulture. They had planted walls, and it was just the most… Read More
And then seven or eight years later, we did this. So that became my philosophy for the zoo. We were talking about master planning and the zoo. Read More
Can you tell me something?… Read More
They say sometimes the zoo is a zoological garden. Read More
We put major exhibits in the four corners, or the four points of what is actually a large oval. And those exhibits are all air-conditioned and large. So on a very hot day, a visitor can come to the zoo and stay in air-conditioning most of their visit if they… Read More
Not, oh, do I love this reptile house, but how am I getting there, and where am I gonna have lunch and where are the bathrooms?… Read More
And I became very obsessed with that sort, in a positive way with that concept, and it was totally new to me. CLR taught me a lot about how people visit the zoo. So what I did after maybe 18 months or two years at the most, I had CLR… Read More
Why?… Read More
My philosophy with that was based upon the fact that I was a public institution in a relatively small southern city with no history of philanthropy, which meant that I had to rely on bond issues for capital money, which meant that I had to rely on elected officials who… Read More
Not Chicago cold, but we can get cold. So they described to me or explained I guess a way of looking at our site. And our site was very small. It was just a little over 30 acres at the time, but intensely developed, to look at the zoo like… Read More
Even after we rotated off the board, we still kept in touch and tried to follow up on things that might have started while we were there. Read More
You had indicated, just to change shift a bit, but you’d indicated when you were at the zoo and you’re building, did you have a master plan?… Read More
No, I didn’t believe in master plans. Read More
And did you give Charlie Hessel any advice?… Read More
I’m sure I did. (laughs) One thing is I’m not going around the world on a honeymoon. No, we were a really cohesive group. When I think back on it, and I don’t have the sequences right, but for about a five-year period, our presidents, in addition to me, were… Read More
That was my first presidency. Interestingly, for a year or two, Wagner stayed in Wheeling. And we had a staff in Washington, we had a small staff in Wheeling, and ultimately moved everything to Washington. Now it’s in Silver Spring and it’s done quite well. Read More