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I had to find a home. I lived for the whole summer months in a tiny apartment downtown with a Murphy bed folding out of the wall. Read More

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To be honest, very few. I learned a lot I shouldn’t do. I learned a lot. Read More

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And what skills did you learn or take away from Fort Worth that you think were helpful when you became the zoo director?… Read More

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And we went back to his office and he hired me. Read More

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I’m gonna be the only director of the zoo. Read More

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Yes. were with him. Yes. Yup. Speak up, Frank. And I went out to the zoo with the mayor. And we looked around, and I pointed out stuff that I would change. This needs to go. This needs to go. This needs to be changed. Read More

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You, Mr. Mayor, are not gonna be involved in directing that zoo.” I just want to say that I think that the priest was at that time leading the society in Evansville, right?… Read More

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A priest. A priest. Fort Worth with a priest. There’s some zoo people. I was asking Frank about leaving- Fort Worth. Read More

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Right, yeah. Okay. You spoke really long. And I knew that Evansville had lost their zoo director or fired or whatever. Yeah, I’ll admit, I sort of got friendly with the priest and the others from Evansville. A week after, I got, a week after I wound up at the… Read More

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They were from Evansville, right?… Read More

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What?… Read More

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The next step was a meeting in Fort Worth of a number of zoos, a number of zoo people. There was a priest and a couple of other people there from. I didn’t hear who you said there. Read More

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Yes. A good sized baby. Two or three years old. I don’t know. He could stop me when I grabbed the bars. Read More

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Now Little Lawrence was an orangutan?… Read More

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Now you mentioned that at some point you felt, “Well, Fort Worth may not be the best place for my professional knowledge.” What made you decide to start looking elsewhere than Fort Worth, and what was the next step after that?… Read More

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He was called Little Lawrence by everybody in the zoo except the zoo director, whose name was Lawrence. And Little Lawrence was loose. And I went in and closed the door behind me, obviously. Little Lawrence was, oh, two or three years old. He put us back feet around my… Read More

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That was how I got Little Lawrence in the cage. Read More

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I walked back out ’cause somebody says else, “Every time I tried to walk into that cage, he’d grab it.” And he was strong enough. He could keep me from walking in the cage. There was a female orang on exhibit. I put him down, left him to his own… Read More

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And you went down, down at either end of the pool and viewed the porpoise in the water. Now this was, this was a month or more following the porpoise’s arrival. And she was putting this pool in the aquarium building along about the time she went in, went in… Read More

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No (chuckles). I took a phone call one night, three o’clock in the morning, night watchman. “My God, you’ve gotta get down here. Something’s loose in the ape house.” And I said, “What do you mean something?” And he said, “I don’t know what, but there’s something loose. The last… Read More