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About 16 actually, yeah, I started a little early. Read More

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You were at the Oklahoma City Zoo approximately 15 years?… Read More

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How did you decide, or when did you decide that, “Well, enough’s enough?” And and what was your frustration with the convention?… Read More

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No. Well, now there was another book, which Conway edited, I believe in the ’70s. Read More

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Yes. I wrote two chapters for that. That’s not what you’re talking about, though. Okay well, I guess I just dropped the ball if I didn’t say anything about reptiles in there. I’ll have to revise that and offer to update it. Read More

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I think it was “Mammals in Captivity.” Is that correct?… Read More

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What?… Read More

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You wrote about in the book. “Fundamentals,” you had a chapter on mammals. Did I? Well, I haven’t read that in years. Okay. Read More

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I didn’t have anything on reptiles?… Read More

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And Ruther finally, really told Clyde, took him aside. We were having a meeting at Portland. I’d been there about a month, and I wanted to get this thing out. And Clyde just insisted. He’d take something then I’d say, “Okay, that’s good, let me, I’ll rewrite that.” And then… Read More

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Why not reptiles?… Read More

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Well, Clyde somehow got, took it upon himself to read the manuscript and find all kinds of things that he disagreed with, nothing factual. I had made a comment that among the different, you know, you can have a taxonomic theme with a zoo, a whole zoo, or geographic. You… Read More

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And I remember, oh, Ron Ruther! You remember Ruther?… Read More

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Ruther was my counterbalance on Clyde Hill. I told Ruther, you know, “I’m not gonna change.” He want Hill, I guess he didn’t have anything else to do. Now, Hill’s a very nice guy. And he and I were very friendly before this. but I just, you know, this is…… Read More

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Then do it. Do it.” So I took that, I was at Fort Worth. And about that time the shit hit the fan, and I went to Portland. And so I didn’t do anything on that for about six months or about a year, but I finished it. And then… Read More

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Clyde Hill. Do you remember Clyde?… Read More

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But I think we do need a publication.” At that time, Mark, there were new zoos popping up all over the country. There were a lot of new between, in the ’60s, there were a number. If I had the access to the public, to the rosters and all, I… Read More

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Did they come to you and say, “Do this?” The AAZPA published a paperback called “Zoos, When, Where, and How?” And it was a committee deal, and it was really pretty bad. I mean, as far as solid information, it really didn’t give you guidance. but they sold a lot… Read More

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So whoever it was, Conway was there, said, “Well, Curtis, are you willing to do that?… Read More

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And a lot of zoo directors that had to decide what’s best for the zoo association, and not your particular park director and park department, and got it through. It was a lot of bloodshed, it was bloody, bloody. That was a, they didn’t wanna turn this loose. When I… Read More

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