And Ruther finally, really told Clyde, took him aside. We were having a meeting at Portland. I’d been there about a month, and I wanted to get this thing out. And Clyde just insisted. He’d take something then I’d say, “Okay, that’s good, let me, I’ll rewrite that.” And then he wouldn’t like that or he’d find something. It was just interminable. And so we finally got it out and it was, it was pretty well, well, they sold them all. I’ll say that. But you wrote about mammals for AZA.
