People went to the bathroom, you know, came back out, they said well we had the meeting. And I said you didn’t invite me. I didn’t get to go in the bathroom. And they’re like oh it’s okay, Jan. So I don’t think anything huge was decided, but it was… Read More
There are some farsighted people out there that, and men, that saw things differently. And it wasn’t man against woman, it was just the way things were at the time and you had to work your way in. Read More
And like you say, just kind of keep moving forward. As we reflect on it now, there are so many more women. Mmhm, true. I think, well you know in that era when I first started applying to work at zoos, I remember going to the Minnesota Zoo that I… Read More
And they were just our little luncheon go. We divvied it up professionally, what did we want to do. Whether it was through AZA or in our zoos or whatever. Personally what we wanted to do to grow as women. And get along, and it was just a little bonding… Read More
Did you call each other or commiserate on issues?… Read More
(Jan laughs) Yeah, I mean you can. I would guess it was no different than guys getting together and saying. Dang, I’m having this problem with staffing and doing this or that. So we talked the normal same things. Only once do I remember, and that was more at a… Read More
The thing is you wanted to get to this outcome and it didn’t matter who got you there. You know, so you did your work professionally and. Called in the favors that you could when you did until people recognize that you had some worth and oh, maybe we can… Read More
We would get together, some of us, at conference and have a luncheon. Read More
You know, just a few friends of, and we would set goals, you know?… Read More
It took a long time I think for men to see women in certain positions, but that was just the way it was then, you know?… Read More
You were always aware of it. I think you had to just do what you were supposed to do. You had to do your job and let people know. I’m here. I’m gonna do what I’m gonna do. You can accept me or not. Some people would never. Read More
Most guys are used to, at that point are used to seeing women either I date them, they’re my sister or my mom. You know, it’s not like oh, you can be on the same level as I have and by golly you can actually talk and walk at the… Read More
How did that affect you personally?… Read More
You were a woman director. Thank you for noticing. In a profession dominated by men. Read More
Did you have issues at any level with that?… Read More
Issues?… Read More
Making rounds?… Read More
I think, again, it’s… I think staff is very aware if you’re not out there doing something. You know, they would often complain about oh, you know, the parks people don’t know what we have to do. You never see the director of parks over here walking through or doing… Read More
‘Cause people are busy, you know?… Read More
And did you make rounds of the zoo?… Read More