So that was kind of it. We kind of had a newsletter and he, through the Smithsonian, was able to get the postage, and we had a kind of a newsletter long before we had a journal. And that was kind of just a informal, “Well gosh, I did this once and it worked” type of thing. Which was important at the time, because that’s all the information we had. And then later that grew into the journal, which we called the giraffe journal, because it had a giraffe on the front of it, and it’s been published up to now. It’s a, well, it’s a recognized scientific journal.