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Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 122

And so the, so you’ve seen an old time zoo when you come there?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 123

Yeah, quite a bit. The rainforest was gonna change it. I don’t know if I knew that at first. The rainforest changed the whole thing. ’cause it was the first, I shouldn’t say totally, they had some okay exhibit. It was this first modern exhibit. It really had a tight… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 118

I mean, what kind of clothes do you wear?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 120

And three and a half years later we were married. So, and she’s from Ohio. And so that, that’s one of the reasons I stayed. And so I got there and, and yeah, there was a lot of, they had started this thing called the rainforest. It looked like it… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 119

Is there restaurants? So what do you do?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 116

This young lady came and sit next to me. So I started a conversation with her and I’m yaking away. Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 117

What’s it like? How bad is the snow?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 115

And then they came a group of ’em, the Sioux Society president, the the Metro Parks director, the commissioner they came to, to Sacramento and interviewed me there and walked around the zoo and saw me interact with staff and stuff. And somehow they decided I was the guy. So… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 114

And I did what I could do really. And I loved it. I loved Sacramento. I would’ve, if we could have done a little bit more expansion, I would’ve probably stayed there forever. I loved the city, I loved who I worked for. And, but it was just a small… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 113

So it’s still a 12 right now. It’s still a 12 acre zoo. But your tenure is shorter. Yeah. And you make that decision to leave because, Well, we weren’t gonna have I, well it was almost a no brainer I’d said, other than the fact that I was a… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 111

We did that about three times. And so that’s when we got a curator. So we were able to add a curator to the staff. So we then had to keepers report to a curator and, and then we were able to, then the society kept growing. ’cause we grew,… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 112

So it was quite an expansion of the staff and we were able to do much more. That’s why the attendance screws and everything else. But then we did a master plan and we probably should have had more of the neighborhood involved around the park and I’m not sure… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 110

Could we use half the money to expand the staff?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 108

So, and we did a lot of smaller things too. We took the, the chain link fence around the flamingos. I know you and I were talking at lunch about little moats they do for, for camels in Europe. But we took down this fence. I just made a mound… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 109

When I, when I left, we also went from 300,000 to 600,000 guests. We, and then I’ll tell you why I moved in a minute. But when we were doing a master plan and all this, what we were able to do, we were able to go to city council… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 107

Well, let me go back a little bit and talk a little bit more about Sacramento and what I was most proud of. The city of Sacramento, like any city, the money was difficult. But again, I had a very supportive boss, Bob Thomas and act actually a supportive city… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 105

But yet your tenure at the zoo as director is relatively short. Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 106

Why did you decide to leave?… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 104

And that was finished when I was there. And then they had already started the design of an outdoor ranu, a better orangutan exhibit. So when we got rid of the gorillas, we could put the rings in this, well we could, didn’t matter about the gorillas, but we could… Read More

Interview 31514 – Caption Index: 103

It had a lot of small cages, but it also had some single animals, single gorilla. So, and it had some exhibits that just weren’t acceptable. I think they had two penguins in a pit and had some maybe one seal left in a, a pool. So those things, first… Read More

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