You either take it and retire, or we’re gonna abolish your job and you get nothing. I remember going in the back and saying, “I’ve got 40 years in, Ben. I’ve worked in every single place in the zoo in the time I’ve been here. If it wasn’t for the… Read More
So like Gould was taking a huge hit to get to go out. So it was Horsley, Dale Marceline was the other one because they hadn’t been there that long. It was a disaster, an absolute disaster. And I’ll say to this day, the zoo never recovered from the loss… Read More
Well, we’re talking about a four year period that had already been functioning since 1984, under a new director. In 1992, we were struggling very badly. I mean everything had basically not ground to a halt, but certainly, had slowed down dramatically. I mean, the collection had fallen off greatly. Read More
So yeah, it wasn’t a very happy place to work. And I think a lot of us could see the handwriting on the wall. I mean, Mike’s plan to turn the zoo into a bio park. I mean, it sounded good, but it was just a word. It was just… Read More
It didn’t really, I mean, nobody really knew what is a bio park?… Read More
You know what I’d really like to be remembered for is this Small Mammal Building, I like to have them put my name on that building because that was a labor of love for me. And I think it, it turned into a really, really nice facility and I know… Read More
I don’t think that’s gonna happen, but again, that’s somebody looks at that building and say small mammals, I mean, who wants to look at small mammals?… Read More
they’re just a bunch of little furry things. But we can turn this into a good educational building on conservation, that would really be great. That’s where the mindset goes in a lot of these places. Let me take you back to 1992 kind of through 1996. Read More
Can you tell me about that time period and what was evolving and how it ended for you and why?… Read More
Although you’ve identified a number of challenges for zoos, are you proud that you were part of the profession?… Read More
Absolutely, yes. Yeah, absolutely. I think I contributed my share to captive populations in zoos and to better their conditions, and to make it a more exciting visit that they go to because of some of the exhibits said I was involved in designing and having built because of some… Read More
How would you like to be remembered?… Read More
They were zoo, people came in to see the animals. They had a good time. There wasn’t any talk about the demise of the elephants or we couldn’t get this in because they weren’t available. They were available. The scary thing about it is it’s only been 40 years, 50… Read More
That’s where I think if zoos are really serious about what they’re doing, they ought to start turning their energies into really doing something to try to stop what’s taking place with the wild populations. And until they do that, whether they do it with their own money, or they’d… Read More
and if you join the society, that’s community support. So if they don’t wanna spend the money to be part of the society, they’re not gonna go to the zoo. What do you know about the profession that you devoted so many years of your life to. Yeah, I’m not… Read More
Well, what do you know about this profession?… Read More
You’ve been in it for over 40 years?… Read More
Well, I know it’s a profession that was established many years BC in Egypt. And then over in Europe, I mean, people have always been interested in exotic looking animals and exotic looking animals are usually wild animals for the most part. So I mean, zoos have been in existence… Read More
That we’ve already discussed. I mean, they’ve got to start looking at the long range plans and the reality of what’s facing them. Read More
Now, you mentioned that when you came to the zoo the second time and tried to move things along, you were involved in public relations and other things, how important is community support for the zoo and can a zoo survive without the community support?… Read More