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Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 42

And it was a great hall as it was in London. So it was a very traditional, classic zoo. Okay. I’ve always been fascinated by the Children’s Zoo at Lincoln Park Zoo. Read More

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What can kind of animals were there?… Read More

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Well, the Children’s Zoo was essentially way more exotic than a lot of Children’s Zoo where they had primates, they had chimpanzee babies. They would have young animals there. They had, it wasn’t like a farm kind of thing where you had domestic animals. They had a lot of, I… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 45

So if you went to the Children’s Zoo, there were handlers. I was one of them, the laborers in the summer that you could, they would handle a snake. You couldn’t go to reptile house and get that experience. But in the Children’s Zoo, in theory, with the zoo leaders… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 38

So they would have, that’s how it was laid out. And Lincoln Park Zoo was, depending on how you measured it, it could be 29 acres or 30 acres. It was very small. It was locked in to this park, Lincoln Park, that on one side, the east had the… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 39

And that was the zoo that I first encountered, but you know, it wasn’t like I was so visionary to go, “Well, this is an old zoo.” It was wondrous. Well, Mark, this was the late 60s when you started. Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 40

And I’m wondering what was like the, what were the cages, the conditions the animals lived in? What was it like?… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 41

Well, it was, as I say, very traditional, the monkey house had bars for all the primates, for the gorillas, bigger bars and some of the other animals, the birdhouse was a lot of cages. For example, the monkey house had 31 exhibits inside. The bear line had a very… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 35

So a little while ago, you mentioned about you’re starting as a summer laborer at Children’s Zoo. Read More

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What was the zoo like at that time?… Read More

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Well, the zoo was a very traditional zoo, Lincoln Park. It was, had a reptile house. It had a monkey house. It had, which was all the primates, the gorillas, the great apes, everything. It had a bird house. It had a Children’s Zoo. It had a place where the… Read More

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Like, “You don’t wanna be a teacher?… Read More

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You don’t want to go into research?” I said, “No, I wanna work in the zoo.” And they had no experience and they couldn’t tell me. Read More

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I said, “What do I have to do?… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 34

What classes should I take in?” They had no idea. They had no idea because they were strictly academics. And later on in years when I started work at the zoo and I kept in touch with my professors, when they would have students, undergrad students who said, “I wanna… Read More

Interview 12083 – Caption Index: 28

Well, I knew, I think intuitively that I had to have of education as well as experience here. I was working in the Children’s Zoo in the summer, but I was, I had gone to Southern Illinois University and I gotten my bachelor’s degree, and then I pursued a master’s… Read More

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Do you think the university understood about somebody wanting to work in a zoo?… Read More

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No. It was interesting because when I was at Southern Illinois University and I would tell my professors that I wanted to work in a zoo, they were aghast. Read More

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So what animals were you drawn to?… Read More

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Well, I always liked the mammals and I subsequently, although I was always interested in snakes. My first book that I ever got was a 1954 reptile book. I think it was a Zim book from my aunt, my Aunt Jeanette who got me this, I still have it today,… Read More

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