And of course we just had, my son was only eight months old, and that was not a smart move on our part to do, to be honest. And he was okay most of the time, but then right at the end, he got deathly ill. He got some stomach… Read More
I mean, that was a tough part. At the end of it was a real tough, tough four or five days. Now you arrive at the zoo. Read More
Did you ask his advice, or- I told him, I told him about it and he was very, very congratulatory. He was very happy for me. And I think he liked the idea that another Lincoln Park alumni became a director, because that’s, the zoo is famous for that. You… Read More
He give you any advice?… Read More
No, nope, I didn’t ask him either truthfully. Well, it’s just not that I didn’t need it, but it was, he was my mentor. Read More
I watched him, I watched him a lot, you know?… Read More
And I get a call from him. And I figured, well, when they’re calling me from San Francisco, they’re not calling me to say I didn’t get it. And Barbara was with me at the zoo conference, and I discussed it with her before I called him back. And I… Read More
So I called Jack Spring back and told him yes, I would do it. And that was my, (laughing) that was my deal. So that’s well, how I wound up in San Francisco. Read More
Now, did you talk to Dr. Fisher about the job after you had said yes?… Read More
Oh yeah, yeah. Then I asked them to see the zoo, and they didn’t even think they, (laughing) I’d been there of course, but I wanted to see it again and they didn’t have any way of me getting to the zoo. And they had to get some guy that… Read More
I mean, all I could say is, you know, what can I say?… Read More
That’s just, that’s the way San Francisco is, honestly. And I remember, and I didn’t hear from them for quite a while. And then I remember it was one of the, there was a zoo conference and, it was in, I forget where it was. May have been in Canada,… Read More
And I said, “Well, yeah.” And they said, “Well, you need to be here on Friday.” (laughing) And this was like Monday or Tuesday. And I said, “What?” And she said, “Well you know, we’re trying to get to zoo society to pay for it, but we don’t know if… Read More
And so here I’m in San Francisco and I said, “I gotta go back,” get back there that night. Luckily the two hours worked in my favor that way. Read More
And I did, I mean I got back, I went right to the meeting, the big tent deal they put up there and I ran- They were bringing you to San Francisco for what reason, interview?… Read More
This place is really, has got tremendous potential if nothing else.” The dirty word potential, which you know, but really, and I said, you know, “This place is nowhere near as half bad as they said it was. I mean you can, but if you come here, you got a… Read More
And I thought, “Well, they probably have a director and they’re not looking for one now, and it’s the way it goes.” Then as also typical San Francisco, they called me up on the phone and said, “Well, are you still interested,” you know?… Read More
Well I left Lincoln, I didn’t leave Lincoln Park so much as go to San Francisco. Had I not been married, and it was relatively new. You know, I was married in what? ’72, And had a kid, and I guess that I thought it was time to make my… Read More
I mean, I didn’t go west to go to San Francisco, but since I was there to give this paper at this psych Western Psychological Association meeting, I wanted to go to the zoo. Well I went to the zoo and I just thought, I saw this zoo, and I… Read More
I think, “Jesus, what are these people complaining about?… Read More