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And the mammal curator was?… Read More

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There?… Read More

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My entire function was related to the bird collection. There were other curators. Read More

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Was there a head curator?… Read More

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So, all these rules and regulations were totally foreign to me. And it was a real learning experience. And boy, was I behind the curve on that. I don’t think you really ever catch up with that but you learn. So, you were hired as an assistant curator of birds. Read More

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What would you like to do in this career?” I said, “Well, I’d like to make a contribution and I’d like to be the best that I can be.” And I said, “I’m a little concerned about whether I can gain that at the Kansas City Zoo or another smaller… Read More

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So, that I knew what I could do and what I couldn’t do and that was all new to me, all totally new, totally foreign. But it worked and was great. Great place. But that training in unions stood you in good stead later on. Well, when you work with… Read More

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And he says, “What do you want to do in your profession?… Read More

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Was it the economic thing to do?… Read More

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There was a jillion questions and I was sharing this with him. Read More

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Wonderfully. In fact, he said something to me that has always stuck. ‘Cause he was sitting across behind his desk, I was sitting on the other side now. You understand, you’re a budding zoologist. Well, you sure to know who Roger Conant is, he’s the paramount herpetologist in your little… Read More

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Was this a smart thing to do?… Read More

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Yes, he did. Read More

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How’d you interact with him?… Read More

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Did he interview you?… Read More

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Roger Conant. Read More

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And I began there in maybe May of 1970, something like that. It was a wonderful experience, Gus was a great mentor. Read More

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Who was the director at the time?… Read More

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I became aware of the job at Philadelphia in the spring. I gotta think. No, it was in the fall of 1969. There was a National Zoo Conference, which I think was Oklahoma City if I remember. And at that time, an announcement was made by Gus Griswold, that he… Read More

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Those were the deans. Those were the teachers. Those were the mentors. And of course, Carrie Muller, I forget Carrie. And so, someone who attended the meeting came back and told me, “Hey, they’re looking for a bird curator.” And I knew Gus, so I called him and I said,… Read More