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Was this from Africa or from Asia?… Read More

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The last shipment I brought in was eight. I have a letter, wherever my files, I’d find it, but I have a letter from the countries, the man in the country of origin asking me questions about what should we do to straighten out our laws, and I answered him. Read More

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No, not from Asia. Africans. Asian elephants, all right, look. Let me do this. In dealing with elephants, I owned or dealt with 55 Africans, something like 32 Asians. Of those 32 Asians, I didn’t bring one out of Asia. I bought them and resold them in this country. Africans… Read More

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Yes. Read More

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And how difficult was it to bring these animals over?… Read More

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Not difficult at all. If you had the money, you got the animals. Read More

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In my opinion, no. Zoos have gotten smart enough so they know how to do business. Zoos are a lot more knowledgeable about the laws. They used to know absolutely nothing about the laws, which is a dangerous situation to be in. That dealers knew more about the laws, but… Read More

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After that initial shipment, later as an animal dealer, did you bring other groups of elephants over?… Read More

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You brought elephants in. Yup. Read More

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Is there a need for animal dealers now for zoos, in your opinion?… Read More

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Wait. Wait a minute. Today, in this day and age, zoos do a lot of trading back and forth, and very few animals come from the wild anymore. Read More

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Are they needed?… Read More

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Well, the story about them and the snow leopard, as I recall, was that they bought the animal, and they found out they didn’t, their permit was for (vocalizes). These leopards but not that one. And you took, I took ownership of the animal. I don’t remember, to be honest,… Read More

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I was responsible for that leopard all the time it was on the road, but I legally owned it. Read More

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Well, when you say we’re talking about animal dealers and zoos that you sold to, what kind of benefits do you think dealers provide as suppliers for zoos?… Read More

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Somebody from your zoo called me and said, “Do you know so and so?” And I said, “Yes, I know him well.” “What’s he doing with, I think it was a snow leopard that he says belongs to you?” And I said, “He’s performing with it, and it does belong… Read More

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No, no. Cristiani we’re talking about now, Cristiani. Oh, shoot. Well, a famous riding family. Yeah, but the oldest son, but I can’t think of his name. He’ll come to me. Well, yeah. He and his wife trained leopards and did a stage act with trained leopards. Read More

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Frans van den Brink?… Read More

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Connie. Who did we, we dealt with, one of the Cristianis. He has young kids now. And took care of his leopards. Read More

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