But for snow leopards and jaguars, we just had iron, round iron exhibits at the outside, so those were all, we reduced the number of animals so those, we kept some of the outdoor exhibits, those round outdoor exhibits as holding areas or shifting areas and they built a new… Read More
I think it was, because we had the old exhibit we had basically doors with pans inside and so you could just take the pans out and animals would be shifted out. And we tried to build it into the rock work in the new exhibit and it just physically… Read More
It hasn’t worked out that way in practice but, because the Cheetah SSP decided that our indoor facility was not suitable for cheetahs, so cheetahs are now only outside, have an indoor space they go to and they put caracals?… Read More
I think they may have caracal now on the inside exhibit. But yeah, that worked out well. We were able to, one thing that didn’t work was everybody loved feeding time at the zoo ’cause the keepers would feed and we tried to build in so keepers could feed the… Read More
I think the renovation of the feline building worked out really well. The idea was that we would, animals would have both indoor and outdoor facilities. Read More
It’s not like you, oh, we’re gonna do polar bears in two years, what do we need?… Read More
And, you know, and you haven’t seen. And then things change all the time. Underwater hippo exhibits, you know, that’s, we’re gonna do an underwater hippo exhibit and they built an underwater hippo exhibit, finished it a couple of years ago in Milwaukee. And Bruce had designed it, but it… Read More
In the exhibits that you were part of, what exhibit are you most proud of?… Read More
Based on your experience, what is the ideal, if there is one, of zoo exhibit design approach?… Read More
Well, and basically my approach is basically a museum approach. You need to know, have an overall vision for what it is. And then you just can break it down into segments. And so the my ideal would be to have, you know, if we’re gonna redo the polar bear… Read More
What components are important when you’re that doing that?… Read More
You indicated that there were master plans for the zoo, for the Milwaukee Zoo. Read More
I wasn’t. Bruce did that. And then you learned about, if you were gonna have this species or that species or- Well, it didn’t really involve, it was more of a physical master plan. And since I knew it wasn’t going to happen, because the county didn’t have the budget,… Read More
What was your input in developing a master plan or being involved with that?… Read More
And went, okay, I need… Well, you had to do the research. You know, if you needed, I wanted scales. I had to find scales that you could use with the animals, ’cause most of my animals couldn’t, they didn’t develop scales and you couldn’t, we were weighing elephants with… Read More
Could you make changes, could you… Well, I don’t know if you could make changes. We often, you know, you had a policy manual that never sort of changed and sort of if someone would, I got grieved because I was used to if someone needed help, you would go… Read More
When you were at Milwaukee, did you help to develop policies that might have changed the direction of the zoo in certain management areas that you were active in?… Read More
Was there a mentor you would speak with or was it?… Read More
Oh no, you just did it. Read More
They just said, what do you need?… Read More