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Interview 3934 – Caption Index: 332

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Interview 3934 – Caption Index: 333

And we finally wound up putting some call boxes in, electronic call boxes, and one of the jobs at night to this day is that we can’t, the last guy, the security cannot, if there’s a car in the parking lot that doesn’t belong to one of us, they have… Read More

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I’ve had ’em get lost. We had one lady die of a heart attack out there and at the very end of the highest part of the trail, and had a, I mean, by the time we got the helicopter rescue in she passed away. I had the joy of… Read More

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And when you did the surveys and things, did you bring the university?… Read More

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And in that, we’ll call that natural area, have you done as part of the, have you done surveys so you know what animal life is there, approximately what plant life is there?… Read More

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Sure. So forth. Yeah, absolutely, we know what’s out there for sure. And the trails and exhibits were designed to help people see the stuff that’s out there whether there’s, because it’s not just a flat trail system. It goes from wash bed all the way up to 1,500 feet… Read More

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And they can go off on their own to do this?… Read More

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Was it in these deserts or what were you driving at?… Read More

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it was by continental desert. So, we started with North America because that was number one easiest, cheapest, and didn’t scare anybody. And then the next desert we moved to once the cat was out of the bag, literally, was we moved to the African desert because I figured first,… Read More

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It’s still sitting there. So it’s those three major- Yeah. We decided not to try to do like cold deserts, like Siberia or things like that were just too hot and too hard on the creatures, and I mean in theory, not fog deserts like Patagonia and things like that… Read More

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We, in order to meet ACA standards, we didn’t fence the whole two square miles of land because the cost, so the trail system is you enter the main park through the zoo park, and then you walk to the edge of the zoo park at one side and you… Read More

Interview 3934 – Caption Index: 323

Sure, I mean, Bill Woodin at Arizona Sonora from day one said, “Go do it, try it.” Chuck Bieler had just wound up as director at San Diego and was feeling his way through. And Bill of course, would always be willing to pontificate to anybody at the time. And,… Read More

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Well, speaking of exhibits, and you had this master plan in your secret master plan, we’ll call it, how did you want the Living Desert to be laid out?… Read More

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So, why do you create an organization that says I’m different?” I said, I remember saying this directly to her, I said, “Is there an organization in zoos for blonde people?… Read More

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I’m a blonde in the zoo business. I’m a green-eyed person and this is the organization for green-eyed people in the zoo business.” I said, “Isn’t it that nonsense?” “Well, yeah.” I said, “Well, to me it’s as much nonsense to have a woman in the zoo business organization.” Just… Read More

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I just did my job and I tried to be a really good director, I tried to be fun, just like them, go out and have a good time. And I was quickly accepted to the point where sometimes they’d forget I was even in the room as a woman,… Read More

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Did you get others zoo directors, or who were some of your, did you have mentors and other zoo directors that you as a young director would go to and they would mentor you?… Read More

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You’ve gotta mentor women.” I said, “No, no, no. I’ll mentor any zoo professional. If they think I have something to offer ’em, I’ll tell ’em. Read More

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I said, “But why do you want to have, why do you want it?… Read More

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You wanna be equal. You wanna just be part of the team. Read More

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