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Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 81

He said, “We wanna buy an elephant for the zoo.” I said, “Whoa, the last thing we need now is an elephant.” That’s like giving a subway to the city of Topeka, nice but what we’re gonna do with it?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 75

But what if somebody comes to Topeka and they walk, what’s it look like?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 76

And they walked through and I said, “Yeah, we got some broken sidewalks. I’ll try to get those fixed, but what can we fix?” There’s mud on the sidewalks, the chainlink’s falling off the guardrail, branches fell down from the last windstorm are still there. When they would clean out… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 77

And then letting the people know, we have some fascinating animals here. We’ve got maybe not much, but a neat little zoo here. We need your support, come out and see us. And I started giving a lot of talks and so on. But this diet business, we had a… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 72

Get that established, clean up the commissaries. Stop the carcasses on the road. Start getting the meat from Hill’s packing plant, which slaughtered the horses right here in Topeka, down by the river. Clean that up. Clean the zoo up. Clean the keepers up. Get some khaki uniforms. They didn’t… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 73

And so I had to fill in and be a keeper. Well, of course the regular keepers then would always booby trap me. First of all, they’d leave all the dirty jobs until it’s my turn to do their run. And then they would always put the hose, it was… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 74

And it was get done as fast as you can, and go sit and have coffee and talk and, and so we’re gonna walk through zoo like a visitor. Now play like, we didn’t charge admission, any of that stuff, but I said, say you live in Topeka. You hear… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 68

They didn’t do exactly that. Mr. Cully, he called, well, I called him after I got the offer. And he gave me a cautionary endorsement, sort of thing. He said, “They need a lot of work over there, but we think you can do it.” We, ’cause his wife has… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 69

I had a lot of colleagues, a few I knew at the time who called me and say, “We’re never gonna hear from you again. That is professional suicide.” If you leave Fort Worth or that new herp building and all the exciting stuff that’s going on there and all… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 70

(Gary chuckling) When you got there as director, what were the top items, procedures, things that you wanted to address or enhance?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 71

Well, number one was animal diets. I’m no nutritionist, but I could tell that this feeding garbage to them, it wasn’t, sometimes the food may have been acceptable. It was the concept, that’s number one, was the concept. And they were not balanced diets even if it was fresh produce… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 65

You mean within a profession?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 66

Well, the former zoo directors that you worked for before. Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 67

Did they call you up and say, I got some advice for you?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 61

(Gary chuckles) But the first day I was on the job, I had a little old beat up desk. I’m in the commissary smelling of fish throwing out, and all the cleaning fluids and all this stuff. And the phone rings. And there was a little thing in the paper,… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 62

Can you come and get him?” Oh, okay. What’s your address?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 63

And whoever checked it out, it wasn’t a Prairie dog. It turns out, well, then the phone rang again, another call, I mean, all day long, the zoo had gone out and taken a chainlink fence, and put it into the ground that deep and put a guard rail around… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 64

(Gary laughs) Were any of the previous directors you worked for, did they ever give you any advice when you now took this new position?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 57

It was a feeling of because, Kansas City, there was no education department, but every time the zoo got a request for a talk, Mr. Cully said, can you go give a talk at this group or whatever?… Read More

Interview 1738 – Caption Index: 58

And I was giving talks all the time to scout troops just on my own. But it was a feeling of being in a position to, and having a facility, needed a lot of work, oh my gosh. and having these wonderful, to help other people understand animals better. And… Read More

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