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Then you got some new land, how’d you get new land?… Read More

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Yeah. Read More

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You got land from someone, you had to get animals. I had people who donated chain link fence or donated a building, in fact our feed building was donated. That’s where we’ve had to keep the feed and dry it and get the rats out. So we had some help… Read More

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How did you go about developing the physical zoo?… Read More

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We developed the zoo. Read More

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So when you came back, there was a physical zoo or you developed the physical zoo?… Read More

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I did a lot of radio, some TV about the zoo. I was like chewing gum and chicken shit, I was everywhere. Read More

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Go back. Because the concept of the zoo in the first place came from my interest and trying to get a zoo there. So my heart was still in Pensacola, that was part of my dream, to get a zoo in Pensacola. Charlie Stokowski a veterinarian friend who had been… Read More

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So you made the decision what, to go?… Read More

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What was his- He was one of the camp boys. Well, I saw him when we did our exercises and things, I’d see him in there. Pat was so proud of him years later when he’d see how famous he became. You did this job, running the farm camp, but… Read More

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How did you know him?… Read More

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Oh yeah. They could see success. When you put an egg under a hen, 21 days later, you got a chicken, that’s success. You mentioned George Foreman, who became heavyweight champion of the world. Read More

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So you think this program was good for the young men that you were managing?… Read More

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Yeah, did you have to… Well, they had to report to work and they had to keep their paperwork up on what their food bill was and their breeding programs and all that stuff. I think that program today is very needed in this country, I really do. Read More

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An example?… Read More

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No. I hope so, no. Give me an example. Read More

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Did you let these kids get away with things?… Read More

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No, I think I’m pretty soft to a point, and then I’m not very soft. Read More

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Were you a tough guy or disciplinarian?… Read More

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How would you describe your style of management then?… Read More