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What kinda collection did you find when you walked in there?… Read More

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You already knew it, but for us, what kind of- You mean for the whole zoo?… Read More

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And he went down to Botswana, and he’s the first guy that used it in Africa. Read More

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That’d be the Palmer?… Read More

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Yes Palmer, yeah exactly. Read More

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Technically, from the city of Oklahoma City, I was just, I was a keeper, but Warren Thomas made me curator of primates. No salary increase mind you, but certainly I was curator of primates, but I did everything the keepers do, which was the greatest thing I could have done,… Read More

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Now when you got this first job, were you thinking beyond that?… Read More

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Or you were just, “Hey this is a happy, got a job.” Right, I’m happy, I’m working in the zoo. And Warren Thomas was a mentor for me, one of two in my life, I think I had, or three maybe. And We had our differences on occasion, but he… Read More

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Well, I got my master’s degree. And then you took the job. Read More

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Okay, so this was your, you were hired as a keeper, as a scientist?… Read More

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Now that was in 1963, approximately?… Read More

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Yeah, yeah. Read More

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And you had graduated already?… Read More

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And so I went to see Thomas, Warren Thomas, and I said, “Do you know any zoo jobs that are available anywhere?” And he, some thing had went off in his head and he said, “Well, what about here?” I hadn’t really thought of that, I really didn’t. And I… Read More

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And I said, “Hey, that’s a raise, you know?… Read More

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Good, I’ll take it,” and so I did. Read More

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When did you start to now think about the zoo field, working with animals, based on this experience?… Read More

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I, the psychology department at the University of Oklahoma was dominated by clinical psychologists, not experimental psychologists like I was, and my major professor was. So they, I don’t wanna insult anybody, but they, I will. (laughing) They were, the people who were doing that, the CPs, the clinical psychologists,… Read More

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And I remember that I went to see Warren Thomas, and I said to him, ’cause I just had that feeling, you know, it would be great to work in the zoo. That’s when it started really. And I had the feeling and it just, as luck in a way,… Read More

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Well, it confirmed to me that they indeed were extremely intelligent animals. And one of the things that also, that it really showed me, that animals, apes in particular, because they’re so high up on the phylogenetic scale, are individuals. They’re not like cans of peas on a shelf that… Read More