Yes. Lenore- Lenore’s baby, right? Yeah, yeah. And somehow or other, she got into, Lenore may have got into a fight with the male, or perhaps she somehow way or other did abuse the baby. And the baby was in a real bad, a real bad child abuse situation, truthfully,… Read More
And it was early in the morning when someone, it was one of the keepers, maybe?… Read More
Pat Mulroy. (chuckling) Yeah, a keeper named Pat Mulroy came, and he was working in the building at the time, came in and, “Something is wrong, you know, with the gorilla baby.” And we ran in there and sure enough, there was just this baby laying there, like she had… Read More
Can you relate when one of the gorillas, Patty, sustained an injury and your involvement?… Read More
Oh yes, yeah. There, all kinds of things go on with a collection, and the more animals you have in it, is the more things will go on. And she was, she was her mother. Read More
She was her, wasn’t she with her mother?… Read More
She held it to herself. But I remember that we never, you couldn’t, it was very difficult to see the baby nursing, whether it was nursing or not. It was very difficult because she held it so tight and on, you know, around her. And she had her arms always… Read More
And the big disappointment really of that was, that whole incident, was that she didn’t continue to take care of it very well. And it was, in a way it’s not surprising, you know, I don’t know, ’cause I don’t know how much, we don’t know of course how much… Read More
I think reluctantly, everybody took it away. We took it away and took it down to our nursery, which Was, you know, really the only thing you could do. I mean, honestly it was, she was handling it very badly. Like she was holding it casually by one hand, which… Read More
And it’s actually a fairly, a real good picture, actually. It’s famous, kind of a famous picture of him leaning down and listening, you know, checking her out. And he didn’t think anything of it. ‘Cause he figured, “Well, they’re not gonna send me into a place with a dangerous… Read More
It happened at 5:00. Okay, well I’m glad if it did- It was a staff meeting, they had all these people watching and she had a long labor. Yeah, she did. Yeah, Mumbi had a long labor and there were a bunch of people there, and there were staff people,… Read More
I was taking pictures. Oh, (laughing) so was I. I was taking pictures too, but she started- It was kind of a culmination- Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh God. It was a, it’s something that I know that Fisher wanted, Les Fisher wanted very much. And he had been… Read More
Happened at 5:00, they had a giant group of people there. You know, I don’t remember that. But we knew she was pregnant obviously, and we had, Mumbi was the female’s name. And we had a pediatrician, I guess. That’s the, that we, they were, I guess a pediatrician. Read More
Obstetrician?… Read More
No, he’s a pediatrician I think, come in, and we just told him to go, and he just walked in the cage. We didn’t even tell him to do it. We opened the door, we wouldn’t go in with him. He just walked in the cage. Mel Bailey. Okay, yeah. Read More
The first gorilla birth Was a very, very emotional experience. And I still think about it today. You were privileged to see it. Yep, I’m sorry. It’s pretty silly. No, no, I can’t wait for you to describe it. Read More
Weren’t you in a staff meeting?… Read More
Now, you hadn’t been involved with a gorilla, correct me, with a gorilla birth until you came to Lincoln Park Zoo?… Read More
Or had- That’s correct, ’cause most of the gorillas that we had these other places were young anyway. No we didn’t, I wasn’t involved with a gorilla birth. But we had them, you know. Read More
Can you talk about the first gorilla birth you were involved with?… Read More