They should have this,” so we got it. (laughing) And that’s, so everything, not everything is unlike Chicago, a lot of it’s the same. And that’s how we got it, and that’s how I got that position. And she did that and she was really, Elizabeth, Linda Taylor, and she… Read More
How was conservation at the zoo at the time you came in, and what role did you see the zoo playing?… Read More
Did you have any vision of what you wanted to put forth in education?… Read More
Well, one of the things that I really wanted, and this actually worked out well. One of the things I wanted was to do to, well let me say, first of all, there was almost there was essentially no zoo staff. And basically there was only a couple of people,… Read More
How would you make a sign to tell what, to say what an animal is, who’s gonna do that?… Read More
And they all got sent away to, it was to Washington. That’s where they, I don’t know why, but in Washington state, that’s where they were making the decision. And as it turns out, we got approved. And the city couldn’t say no, because it got to where, there was… Read More
What was your vision for an education element to the zoo, and how was that- Well that was very, that was actually done very well at the zoo. They actually handled that pretty well. They had a, that’s one of the things the Zoo Society was doing, and they did… Read More
And they did a lot of that. And I think that it was, they did a pretty good job. They did a good job. Read More
Yeah, let me say this. One of the things that was real good about the situation was that they had started, the city did something about starting to get architects on board to make a master plan for the zoo. And they were working on that before I got there,… Read More
You had to get with the, you know, make the zoo come into the 20th century, kind of thing. And luckily, I’ll tell you some, a very, very funny story, actually. We had a, as I said we had this master plan, and this is when the time, this is… Read More
They wanted to see a plan. And so we said, we were, we got together with the architects and we said, “Well, we wanna do three things that are relatively easy to do, to get started right away.” ‘Cause you had to have, on the 90th day, you had to… Read More
You couldn’t put them there. Some other guy with more seniority wanted that position, so that’s who got it. Read More
After you had time to walk around the zoo, talk to people, did you start to develop a vision for the zoo?… Read More
Well let me say- Start to implement it?… Read More
I would’ve asked somebody or tried to find out, what are the black ones, what’s the difference between those two colors?… Read More
He never did. And at time I said to him, “Well the males are black, and that’s how you can tell,” he said, “Oh.” And so, you know, that kind of thing. And it was repeated, it was repeated in a lot of areas. I mean, they all had, they… Read More
That weren’t ran by seniority. Where even if they really weren’t, if these keepers weren’t suited to work in a certain, really work in a certain area, it doesn’t matter. They could sign up for it, and it’s very difficult to prohibit them from working in that area. You’d have… Read More
And I said, “Well, how wouldn’t you know?” Said, “The males are black.” (laughing) He said, “Oh, I wondered what that was about.” And I said, “Oh my God,” you know, “what have I got myself into,” you know?… Read More
And they just didn’t know, didn’t know, didn’t know that at all. And that may seem like a little thing, but it’s indicative, it was indicative. I would’ve found out, you know, had I been in charge of this area. Read More
And I didn’t know that till later. So they were my champions at first and were not even, they really weren’t a Zoo Society per se. They were like the Friends of the Zoo. And that was a big strength of that zoo, that Friends of the Zoo. They never,… Read More