Oh yeah, yeah. Then I asked them to see the zoo, and they didn’t even think they, (laughing) I’d been there of course, but I wanted to see it again and they didn’t have any way of me getting to the zoo. And they had to get some guy that… Read More
I mean, all I could say is, you know, what can I say?… Read More
That’s just, that’s the way San Francisco is, honestly. And I remember, and I didn’t hear from them for quite a while. And then I remember it was one of the, there was a zoo conference and, it was in, I forget where it was. May have been in Canada,… Read More
And I said, “Well, yeah.” And they said, “Well, you need to be here on Friday.” (laughing) And this was like Monday or Tuesday. And I said, “What?” And she said, “Well you know, we’re trying to get to zoo society to pay for it, but we don’t know if… Read More
And so here I’m in San Francisco and I said, “I gotta go back,” get back there that night. Luckily the two hours worked in my favor that way. Read More
And I did, I mean I got back, I went right to the meeting, the big tent deal they put up there and I ran- They were bringing you to San Francisco for what reason, interview?… Read More
This place is really, has got tremendous potential if nothing else.” The dirty word potential, which you know, but really, and I said, you know, “This place is nowhere near as half bad as they said it was. I mean you can, but if you come here, you got a… Read More
And I thought, “Well, they probably have a director and they’re not looking for one now, and it’s the way it goes.” Then as also typical San Francisco, they called me up on the phone and said, “Well, are you still interested,” you know?… Read More
Well I left Lincoln, I didn’t leave Lincoln Park so much as go to San Francisco. Had I not been married, and it was relatively new. You know, I was married in what? ’72, And had a kid, and I guess that I thought it was time to make my… Read More
I mean, I didn’t go west to go to San Francisco, but since I was there to give this paper at this psych Western Psychological Association meeting, I wanted to go to the zoo. Well I went to the zoo and I just thought, I saw this zoo, and I… Read More
I think, “Jesus, what are these people complaining about?… Read More
What prompted you to leave Lincoln Park, and where did you go?… Read More
Well, I went to San Francisco and became the zoo director there. Read More
But back up, what prompted you to leave Lincoln?… Read More
Was that a team effort?… Read More
It was, because when I left, it still wasn’t finished, you know?… Read More
So others obviously added to that too, sure. Now you leave Lincoln Park in 1975. Yes. Read More
That I learned for myself, by- For yourself, your time at Lincoln Park Zoo, or that you learned about the zoo world that you worked in?… Read More
Well, I mean everything, you know, everything I know basically was learned by, through experience and. You came into contact with- Dealers- Who were potentially not as honest as you would like them to be. You had to learn how to deal with those individuals. Well you learned, I think… Read More
Well I, my experience showed me what they like to do, things that they like to do. And obviously the wild has a great effect on that too. It’s the same kind of thing. But it just showed me what they liked to do, and how they made nests, so… Read More