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Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 74

Okay, where did the Al, working for Al Oeming come in?… Read More

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(laughing) That was later. That was from, when I was at the Omaha Zoo. Okay. Read More

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Now this was approximately 1963 to 1966. Read More

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Is that approximately, that you were at the zoo?… Read More

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Yes. Now this was your first zoo job. Yes. Just so I can put it in perspective. Yeah, it was my first zoo job. Read More

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And Bosman’s, you know pottos, different kinds of pottos. And there were all kinds of big, big, there was a big variety. Read More

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This was before naturalistic exhibits, what kind of exhibits did they look like?… Read More

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Well, of course there were cages, you know. There were cages and there were things in the cages for them to do, and bars, and there was a window. There was a work aisle, and then there was a window that the public was, you know, the public could see… Read More

Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 66

‘Cause they could go, you know, you could make a whole bunch of cages out of, by pulling a door, you know?… Read More

Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 67

And I yelled at them, “Open the door, open the door between the cage!” And so they did and sure enough, one group ran in there and I said, “Close it,” And they closed it, and it was okay. But it was amazing to me how they all got put… Read More

Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 63

I mean, when you got in, or was it, did you have a vision, “Okay, I’m in charge of primates now, here’s what I’d like to do or recommend.” Well, you know, I had just started off in the zoo business and I was not as, I wasn’t very, you… Read More

Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 64

And I remember looking in the box and seeing Celebes apes, black apes, which of course is not a ape naturally, it is a monkey, but as a teeny teeny tail, and so that’s why they call it that. And there seemed to be something else in the same crate. Read More

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They’re different species really, of animal. But they were actually doing okay in the crate. As soon as they came out of the crate, as soon as they came out of the crate, they paired off in their big groups and they started a battle. And I said to other… Read More

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So that was the first inkling people figured, this ain’t the drug it’s supposed to be, you know?… Read More

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And that was, he was involved in a lot of stuff, and it was course a big shock and surprise and a great disappointment to him, you know, that this kind of, this could have happened because most drugs aren’t species specific, you know, really, and this one obviously was. Read More

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And did you have any, were there things that you wanted to change?… Read More

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And they were, what were they gonna do with an elephant?… Read More

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So they contacted Thomas and he of course, very readily agreed to take that elephant, but it was still the bank’s elephant. Well, another thing that a lot of people don’t realize with him, he is the first person, as far as I know, in any zoo or anywhere to… Read More

Interview 12600 – Caption Index: 59

And it, the film was just unbelievable, ’cause they had been introduced to the one that was there, you know. And they, as elephants are, it got to be, you know, they made a little herd. And the film was very incredible. Somewhere that film exists. I don’t know where… Read More

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And unfortunately, I learned, I got my first lesson at how heartbreaking it can be when, you know, dealing with animals, is that the female had a parasite problem and she died. And that was a very, to me, you know, it was a real tragic, tragic thing, But that’s… Read More

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