This place is really, has got tremendous potential if nothing else.” The dirty word potential, which you know, but really, and I said, you know, “This place is nowhere near as half bad as they said it was. I mean you can, but if you come here, you got a… Read More
And I thought, “Well, they probably have a director and they’re not looking for one now, and it’s the way it goes.” Then as also typical San Francisco, they called me up on the phone and said, “Well, are you still interested,” you know?… Read More
Well I left Lincoln, I didn’t leave Lincoln Park so much as go to San Francisco. Had I not been married, and it was relatively new. You know, I was married in what? ’72, And had a kid, and I guess that I thought it was time to make my… Read More
I mean, I didn’t go west to go to San Francisco, but since I was there to give this paper at this psych Western Psychological Association meeting, I wanted to go to the zoo. Well I went to the zoo and I just thought, I saw this zoo, and I… Read More
I think, “Jesus, what are these people complaining about?… Read More
What prompted you to leave Lincoln Park, and where did you go?… Read More
Well, I went to San Francisco and became the zoo director there. Read More
But back up, what prompted you to leave Lincoln?… Read More
Was that a team effort?… Read More
It was, because when I left, it still wasn’t finished, you know?… Read More
So others obviously added to that too, sure. Now you leave Lincoln Park in 1975. Yes. Read More
That I learned for myself, by- For yourself, your time at Lincoln Park Zoo, or that you learned about the zoo world that you worked in?… Read More
Well, I mean everything, you know, everything I know basically was learned by, through experience and. You came into contact with- Dealers- Who were potentially not as honest as you would like them to be. You had to learn how to deal with those individuals. Well you learned, I think… Read More
Well I, my experience showed me what they like to do, things that they like to do. And obviously the wild has a great effect on that too. It’s the same kind of thing. But it just showed me what they liked to do, and how they made nests, so… Read More
Well, I don’t know. He was a very forceful person. (laughing) Commissioner Schick was a very forceful person, a very, a great benefactor for the zoo. He, you know actually he was, he really was. And I can’t say that, you know, I didn’t have anywhere near as much contact… Read More
But you know, you wanted to treat that person with the respect that he deserved, and that’s what you, you know, showed me that, keep doing that and you’ll be okay. You would be, and wherever you went, you could be that way if you treated them that way, that… Read More
Was there any important things that you learned from your Lincoln park Zoo experience about maybe yourself as an individual working with animals or the zoo world in general?… Read More
Did Lester, Dr. Fisher come back to you and ask you about that statement?… Read More
Because I know he got some notoriety for it. I don’t recall, I don’t recall that he did. Now you had to deal with members, while you were at Lincoln Park, with members of the park, commissioners, you had exposure to them. Yeah, yeah. What did dealing with some people,… Read More
What was that starting, maybe to teach you about relationships with those type of people that later on you would come in contact with?… Read More