Well, you know, the primate cages, the cages that, the monkeys were in cages, the apes were on concrete. They just were outdated, antiquated exhibits. And now what we built was, we built a, The Gorilla World exhibit. That was what, was part of that money that we got from… Read More
Yeah, but that wasn’t in a bear grotto. No but I mean, so you were looking to bring in- Well, that was part of the part of a, yeah, yeah. Read More
It was part of a building program?… Read More
Or as part of an education program?… Read More
What were some of your other things that you were, that were on the books that you were trying to put together?… Read More
Well, there was, you know, there were quite a few really. Don’t even remember the bear grotto, if we did one. Read More
Well you brought in golden monkeys, didn’t you?… Read More
A bear grotto?… Read More
You were, were you continuing to build?… Read More
Oh, I don’t- With this master plan, were you continuing, you did Wolf Woods. Oh yeah. Read More
Now you were continuing to try and do some building. In 1984, you got 250,000 for a bear grotto, to build. Read More
How did you, was that part of the master plan?… Read More
How did you decide on that?… Read More
I’m sure they wouldn’t say anything ’cause of the, she had the media in her, you know?… Read More
Well, she didn’t have a lot of the, well none of the scientific people, you know. A lot of the people at universities, and guy who was at Humboldt State University, who was the head of, you know, National Geographic Society who was funding her in part, as a scientific… Read More
And so we got, I think that time $10,000 I guess, which is, it was the best we could do. But lessons were learned. Lessons were learned. And it was interesting enough. Warren Thomas as director at the Los Angeles zoo let something like that happened to her, happen to… Read More
And far as I know, she never, she didn’t apply for any permit.” And She said, “Well I don’t know, but they’re coming in.” And I said, “This is gonna be rich.” I said, “I don’t see that, how this is gonna happen.” Well, not only did it happen, but… Read More
But how did she bring them in without the permits?… Read More
You know how tough it was for any of us to get the permits and to bring something in without them they they’d be confiscated, you know that. And once I, and then after that happened, I got a visit from one of the guys, from one of the customs… Read More
The guy would say, “Oh thank you, Jimmy, for bringing me that towel,” or something like that. And then of course, that’s all Jimmy was doing, bringing something, he didn’t, couldn’t talk or couldn’t do anything, except you know, he was just going around. And that’s the way this gorilla… Read More