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When did things then change?… Read More

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Well first of all, when you did the research, what did this research confirm to you about your subjects?… Read More

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I mean you know, they are after all very intelligent animals and they did that extremely well. Now you said you were on a different track educationally, up- Yeah, yeah, yes that’s right. Read More

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I mean I wasn’t on, it was like a classroom track, you know?… Read More

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What is the word, and what does it really mean?… Read More

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And a lot of things make that up. Memory, you know, makes that up. There’s all kinds of things that do it. And I did my master’s thesis on what really was memory in great apes. And it was, it was called “Matching from Sample”, which is the way we… Read More

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They would see like this metal object that was a sample. Didn’t matter what the object was, of course, it was just something that they needed to remember and needed to know that they had to remember it. And they would then, you’d pull up the door and they would… Read More

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And were you a author on the paper then, “Intelligence and Great Apes”?… Read More

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Well, there was a number of papers. Read More

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It was more than one, because we did things that were specific as, getting at the components of intelligence, because it is very difficult to get at, just the word intelligence, you know?… Read More

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And so we applied to the Small Grants Administration, and they, as luck would have it, the guy who was the head of the psychology division was Harry Harlow. And Harry Harlow was the man who first developed the surrogate mothers, and that kind of an experiment. And of course… Read More

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And was this for your master’s degree?… Read More

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Yes. Read More

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I was on a different track, you know?… Read More

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And when I was a graduate student in psychology at the University of Oklahoma, the person who I, my major professor who had worked at the Yerkes Lab for primates saw that the Oklahoma City, saw in the newspaper that the Oklahoma City Zoo had just got in two young… Read More

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But a number of years when I, being in the zoo business, I decided that I had to go back and see it. And it was something that I probably shouldn’t have done, (chuckling) but it left a great deal to be desired at that time. But I know they… Read More

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Did he take you to see the Bronx Zoo?… Read More

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Well, we went to the Bronx Zoo on occasion, on occasion. Went to Central Park Zoo also on occasion in New York. And I enjoyed those places, but the one I really was most familiar with and went to a lot was the Prospect Park Zoo. When did you first… Read More

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I did have that, and had some goldfish, yeah. Read More

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That was it. (chuckling) Did your parents take you to the zoo, or what’s your kind of recollection of that?… Read More