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Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 72

That’s a great question. I think so. I mean, I… After being with Mehrtens for about a year, I guess organically (laughs) I began to act and manage completely differently than he did. He said A, I thought B. So the staff, the keepers that I was managing I think… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 73

So I know… I don’t know, that’s a great question. I think… I think the staff was anxious to have somebody who was a cheerleader for them and who had their back, and that that was me, mainly due to the position that he had put me in. You talked… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 69

There was just one other curator. There was a curator of birds. Actually, Dennis Decoursey who worked here at Brookfield after he left Riverbanks. And there again is an interesting look into Mehrtens’ personality. He had a strange habit of meeting people at AAZPA meetings, either regionals or national meetings,… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 70

I became Dennis’ boss. We still did not have a full-time veterinarian. We didn’t have a full-time veterinarian until two or three years after I became director. We had a local small animal practitioner who was the veterinarian of record. Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 66

How was the staff, the zoo staff originally then?… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 67

You were the general, you were the curator of mammals. Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 68

Was there a curator of birds and reptiles and other support things?… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 63

Terrible. He never. (laughs) He had a reputation. Let me, so here I am. I’m the mammal curator with no experience. So he would, say, contact or be in touch with the Lincoln Park Zoo, and he would agree to purchase, again, this was 1973, some saki monkeys from the… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 64

And understand he had us believing that he was one of the most famous zoo directors in the country, if not in the world. Or that his reputation was less than sterling in the zoos that he had worked in prior to Riverbanks as a reptile curator. And he had… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 65

So, can you, can you…… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 60

And we had stainless steel. I have this mental picture right now. We had these stainless steel feeding pans, and the mangoes were in one little pile and the blueberries were in a pile and the celery was in a pile. So he was, I guess the first, and we’re… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 61

And it was over 10 years later when the animal collection was two or three times bigger and more sophisticated than it was when I became director before we ever spent that much money on animal food budget in a year. That’s how crazy it had become in terms, and… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 62

How did he treat the staff?… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 58

Well, let’s talk about the diets and one other thing that he had in common. For some reason that only he would have known or knew, he had a really interesting habit when he obtained animals, mammals, mammals, of getting one male and two females. Didn’t matter the biology of… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 59

And the saki monkey’s daily diet had 19 different fruits and vegetables in it. And he would not allow, and by then we had a actual, we had a commissary supervisor, retired army sergeant. And he could not buy… You know, restaurants, for example, will buy blemished vegetables and fruits… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 55

Absolutely not. Mehrtens ran- At that time, from the spring-summer of ’73 until ’76, April of ’76 when he was actually fired, he had 100% control of the animal collection. He purchased the animals. He developed the diets for the animals, which is a whole another story. He wrote out… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 56

You talked about the diets. Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 57

What were you, what was the story of the diets?… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 52

They could have easily been flown. That was the way they were being moved at the time. But again, I think it showed he didn’t know. He thought that’s what he was supposed to do so. And I’m sure the dealers took a nice cut of whatever the fee was… Read More

Interview 20028 – Caption Index: 53

Now at the same time, were you able, were you tasked with getting other animals or traveling?… Read More

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