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After that initial shipment, later as an animal dealer, did you bring other groups of elephants over?… Read More

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Are they needed?… Read More

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Wait. Wait a minute. Today, in this day and age, zoos do a lot of trading back and forth, and very few animals come from the wild anymore. Read More

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Is there a need for animal dealers now for zoos, in your opinion?… Read More

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Well, the story about them and the snow leopard, as I recall, was that they bought the animal, and they found out they didn’t, their permit was for (vocalizes). These leopards but not that one. And you took, I took ownership of the animal. I don’t remember, to be honest,… Read More

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Well, when you say we’re talking about animal dealers and zoos that you sold to, what kind of benefits do you think dealers provide as suppliers for zoos?… Read More

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I was responsible for that leopard all the time it was on the road, but I legally owned it. Read More

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Frans van den Brink?… Read More

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No, no. Cristiani we’re talking about now, Cristiani. Oh, shoot. Well, a famous riding family. Yeah, but the oldest son, but I can’t think of his name. He’ll come to me. Well, yeah. He and his wife trained leopards and did a stage act with trained leopards. Read More

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Somebody from your zoo called me and said, “Do you know so and so?” And I said, “Yes, I know him well.” “What’s he doing with, I think it was a snow leopard that he says belongs to you?” And I said, “He’s performing with it, and it does belong… Read More

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Yeah, you mean Matthew?… Read More

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Connie. Who did we, we dealt with, one of the Cristianis. He has young kids now. And took care of his leopards. Read More

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The oldest, the oldest. Read More

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Yes. I can’t name them offhand. Somebody in England who actually was van den Brink’s sister-in-law or something, but yes. Even after I knew she was van den Brink’s sister-in-law, I had open dealings with her. Were you selling animals not only to, wait, so you were selling animals to… Read More

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Did you sell animals to circuses or private individuals?… Read More

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Very seldom. Never to private in individuals that I know of. I can’t pick a name. To circuses, no. To individuals who sometimes contracted with the circus, but individuals who knew their animals. You met a guy. He’s dead now. A guy from Sarasota. Read More

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Did you deal with other European animal dealers other than van den Brink?… Read More

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Fred was a big one. I don’t know how Fred operated. I have an idea of what he did and what he didn’t do and so on. I don’t know for a fact, so I don’t say anything. Read More

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The Hunts. Read More

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Who were the big ones?… Read More

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