Elephants were the tipping point, without a doubt. Elephants were the tipping point for us leaving AZA, sadly. But what really was the main philosophical difference that we disagreed on, was that I did not feel that a membership organization, which is what AZA is supposed to be, a membership… Read More
And we didn’t get a lot of benefit from it, quite honestly. We felt more like we got called to the carpet than we did getting membership provided to us. So it changed. AZA sadly changed, in my humble opinion. It’s just my humble opinion. Now, recognize, AZA is a… Read More
What benefit did we get from that?… Read More
It was not a decision that we made lightly. And we also worked very hard not to have to leave. So we worked the board of AZA, we worked with the staff of AZA, and we worked very hard to try not to be put in the position, the awkward… Read More
And so they add this accreditation aspect, along with all the other aspects of the great things that AZA is doing. A lot of great people in AZA. And so all these great programs are going on. And then unfortunately, gradually, like a lot of organizations, they became more of… Read More
And then over time, they grow to where they become more of a, well, we’re gonna add an accreditation program, we’re gonna add an accreditation aspect of it, right?… Read More
Very. That was a very difficult decision. I’d been involved in AZA, as I mentioned, all the way back when I started at Riverbanks. Got very involved. I spent 12 years on the accreditation commission of AZA. I had AZA studbook, I was studbook keeper. I had drank the Kool-Aid. Read More
Had no idea there were other zoo organizations out there. So I was a big fan. We had gone through, I took the Pittsburgh Zoo through five AZA accreditations, and we passed with flying colors. And so I’d been very involved with the AZA. Unfortunately AZA, like a lot of… Read More
And they wouldn’t go. That wasn’t their purpose of being there. Their purpose of being there was to try to get me to admit that we had done something wrong and not tried our absolute best. Well, when you speak about that kind of challenge, when you first started zoo,… Read More
We never have. And she asked a multitude of questions like that, that indicated that she had absolutely no clue, or had any experience with elephants. And yet she was on the news at night telling people how horrible our elephants were. Interestingly enough, what amazed me, or disappointed me,… Read More
How difficult was that decision?… Read More
No animal experience, right?… Read More
Hand raising elephants is very, very hard, even for the people in Africa who we consulted with every single day. Very, very hard. And so we lost this baby elephant, who was premature, and we actually learned, premature, low body weight, and we actually learned later on, through the pathology,… Read More
And I’m sitting there with her, and I’ve got my PR person with her. And she’s got this list of questions, which clearly she didn’t write. Somebody else wrote. It came from up above, from the PETA organization. And she’s like, “How often do you chain your elephants?” And I… Read More
And they have developed very, very good strategic plans. I mean, I give ’em kudos. They are 25, 30 years ahead of us in their strategic plannings. They very carefully have looked at, here’s the way we’re gonna close all zoos, and they have put together a plan to do… Read More
We haven’t done anything you are accusing us of doing. Let me take you to the barn. Let me take you to the exhibit. Let me take you to meet the keepers. So a lot of times it’s, they’ve simply been misinformed, and drank the Kool-Aid, and a hundred percent… Read More
And so we ended up, I literally rented a trailer, a little trailer, and parked it behind the little chalet in the Children’s Zoo, and wired it all up, and brought the Zoo Society on the grounds so that they were no longer sequestered miles away, but they now were… Read More
What was your relationship, as Zoo Director, to animal rights groups and Humane Society groups over the years?… Read More
Oh, number one threat to zoos today, absolutely. Number one threat to zoos today. And it’s sad because the animal rights groups’ sole purpose is to put us outta business. The animal rights groups’ sole purpose is to put us outta business. And the extreme animal rights groups’ sole purpose… Read More
Why can’t we play nice?… Read More