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What are the, were the most to you, the most important factors at the zoo?… Read More

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I’m sorry, what was the question?… Read More

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So it was important to have this trust in here. Oh, the trust! It was the best… I thought, and still do, it was the best medium. It was the best medium between having a society, which in this case they never really raised any money. The city bought, they… Read More

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And we weren’t gonna get any more bond money until we get did the millage thing. It was a truce between the, normally the two opposing forces, and most zoos in this country, the city municipality and the society. Read More

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And one of the trustees used to be the city manager, and he knew everything about it. I mean, he helped with it. And as soon as the, we got rid of this redneck on the council, on the trust, we would move on it. The other thing is that…… Read More

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That had a few political problems. One of my society trustees was a complete asshole, and a Conservative, ultra-conservative. One of the, redneck senators that I had lined up on the millage, it had to be approved by the state. He didn’t, he hated him. And this guy hated, it… Read More

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We can take them to wherever we’re gonna do something, and we can educate them, though. So we got the zoo trust was approved. And within the next month or so, every one of those trustees had been to the zoo. They got the treatment. I mean, we weren’t trying… Read More

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Develop the trust. Oh, develop the trust. Okay. So the city cut our, they cut… Well cut, they cut everybody. But they cut about 10 positions out of the zoo, just like that. We had a city manager who was, I mean, I don’t blame him. He didn’t have any… Read More

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And so even though it was just ceremonial, so to speak, she was listed, she’d participate. And we used to, ne thing I used to do, Mark, and I found this to be very effective. Every Friday Kirkpatrick would come to the zoo. He was an ex-admiral. And apparently, there’s… Read More

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How long has that been vacant?” “Oh, about three months.” “Cut it.” “Keeper, such-and-such keeper. What’s that?” “Well, that’s a swing keeper and they can work anywhere in the zoo.” “Is it filled right now?” “No, but we’ve interviewed applicants, and we’re recommending to the city who to hire.” “Cut… Read More

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Well, that was the best compromise that I could come up with. We were a city department. But the price of oil and the oil glut in the late ’70s. We were raising money for an aquarium, dolphin area, or porpoise-ry is the word I used to like. We had… Read More

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Your question, why was it important to what?… Read More

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Well, why was it important?… Read More

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Why was it important to develop the Oklahoma Zoological Trust?… Read More

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And the Indians now have taken it over, and they’re making it work, of course, with white man’s money. Well now, as we talk about fundraising and so forth. Read More

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Both. Both. Hell, if we give them 50 acres, I want some of the action. Mm-hm. I want peace of the action. So anyway, they yeah, the racetrack was built, and then it just about went bankrupt a year or two ago. People shouldn’t gamble. I mean, if they want… Read More

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I had a few other problems, but that was the biggie. That was the biggie. And I wasn’t gonna give that guy all that land. So they build the racetrack. Well, I left. Okay. When I found out the trustees were doing this, this was inside trading. I mean, they… Read More

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And so I left, I left. Read More

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When you were there, were they, were you trying to negotiate just a parking lot, or revenue from the racetrack?… Read More

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Is that a snow egret?… Read More

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