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Were you involved in the AAZPA as director now that you were a director?… Read More

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Do you remember any of the advice that, some good advice that maybe one or two of them may have given you?… Read More

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And did you have a relationship with Marlin Perkins?… Read More

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No, and I wouldn’t name any of them because I might leave somebody out, but I got good advice from damn near everybody I asked of. Read More

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Oh, yes. Read More

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And did any of those other zoo directors influence you, give you advice, or interact with you in a meaningful way?… Read More

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Gary Clark hired me as, I don’t know what you would call me. He hired me. I went out on a weekend, out to Topeka, and looked at the Topeka Zoo and looked at his problems, and told him what I would do. He did some of it. Some of… Read More

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Now you were working with, now as a zoo director, you were interacting with other zoo directors?… Read More

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A lot had changed. Read More

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I took a few days off, flew down to Fort Worth, we sold the house, loaded up and got back. While we were gone, a banker, today still I don’t know his name, but he said, “My bank has that house on our list of properties. How would you like… Read More

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What animal exhibits were you able to kind of put together?… Read More

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We took that sign down and changed the elephant cage. We straightened up a lot of cages and what they exhibited, and the labels on the cages were just terrible. Fortunately, not too many people had been injured by animals, but where they were, they had a label on it… Read More

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We had a flock of dogs. I’m not at all sure they were purebred dingoes, but they were labeled as such. We got that exhibit straightened out, got oddball animals out of there and just got the exhibit straightened out. And once and for all, we stopped selling dingo puppies… Read More

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Getting rid of him. (chuckling) When I went back to the zoo that afternoon, he wasn’t there, and nobody could find him. Nobody could find him. And I went up to the office and he wasn’t there. And the little old lady that was a patron, her husband had been… Read More

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So as you were building or doing things at the Evansville Zoo, what were some of your proudest accomplishments that you were able to get through?… Read More

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I didn’t make it obvious that I was taping it. That was taped, and that’s one of the tapes that I brought, brought to the board meeting. Read More

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I went down behind her. John, I’ll use it, use the name John, was behind me. I got pretty close to the elephant, and he gave me a shove between the shoulders with his hand. I went forward, but the elephant didn’t step on me. She moved forward a little… Read More

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One day, the elephant at a fairly large outdoor area with a moat that she supposedly couldn’t get into, and she went into it regularly every day. My assistant in name was working that day, and he said, “Oh, damn her. She’s down there again.” And I said, “Well, let’s… Read More

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When you talked about you said, “I learned at Fort Worth what not to do,” what were some of those things, those lessons that you learned not to do that you didn’t want to do in Evansville?… Read More

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I’d rather talk about Evansville. Okay. Read More