Yeah, I hired two. Let’s see who the … I have to go back in my memory bank, Don Janssen was my first one. He came out of the internship program at San Diego, and yeah, Don came in and you know, Don is just a prince of a guy… Read More
Were you able to have during this time that you were now in charge of the veterinary services for the National Zoo, were you able to implement now programs?… Read More
Did you have kind of a free hand to implement things, “Ah, now I can do this or that or this?” Yeah, in a sense, I mean I knew one of the first big things was to get Montale on, get me a pathologist on, because Ted was, that was… Read More
Were you able to, we talked about interns, were you able to bring in, or did you want to bring in foreign interns?… Read More
So you have these interns coming in, but did you hire a full-time assistant?… Read More
I went to interns first, because I’d really enjoyed my internship at Angel, and I thought, you know, since we had so very few full-time veterinarians in zoos, and there seemed to always be the interest in veterinarians, especially students in zoo medicine, that I thought, “Well maybe we should… Read More
That was a vacancy there. I forget who left, I think Larry Collins was a curator of giant pandas and some of the hoofstock, and he went to Front Royal when Chris Wimmer, that was about the time Front Royal opened up, I believe, and Larry went out there with… Read More
How did that come about?… Read More
Now you’re the Head, you would have the opportunity now to bring in your assistant or more than one assistant?… Read More
It was all administrative title changing. It didn’t make a bit of difference in the way I did except one time I was put as, I don’t remember title for hoofstock or something of mammals. I did that for a while when there was a void in that. A curator. Read More
Was it essentially the same job?… Read More
That’s probably about right, ’75, ’76. Mm-hmm, okay. Dick took over the clinical path, which made sense to me, you know, ’cause it was, he was a board certified pathologist. He had the pathology, he took over the clinical path. So then that turned into a very productive collaboration that… Read More
It’s on there, I don’t remember it — 1975?… Read More
What year did you become Head of the department?… Read More
1975?… Read More
Was that Robinson?… Read More
this was way before Robinson. He became Director at, he left National after a year, so he became Director somewhere around this area. Ugh, I guess that’s galloping Alzheimer’s is catching up, but he came around and I was very impressed with him, because first he came around, and set… Read More
I knew that had administrative loads, and I said no. I said, I didn’t particularly want that, and about that time another shakeup occurred, because initially, he put the pathologist under Clint Gray, and Bob Sauer didn’t want any of that. So Bob Sauer turned in his resignation right away. Read More
How did that progression start for you at National?… Read More
Well, Clint was getting close to retirement age, and then there was some rearrangement, I guess, we should say, in the administrative structure of the National Zoo, where some people up above weren’t happy with, I feel, or Ted Reed was doing or wanted new direction in the zoo. And… Read More