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Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 78

Were you part of it or were you just observing them?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 79

I wasn’t part of it in the first master plan projects, which was renovating the upper hoofstock area, and also when they built what they called Hardy Hoff and delicate hoofstock buildings, which currently now ha has the panthers and the first renovation of the Elephant House, the first renovation… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 80

Do you feel it was dangerous?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 81

Were they showing you what to do?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 75

It was a trust for orangutans, and it was set up to protect not only the orangutans in the wild, but also to locate and bring together the captive population of orangs. And he also worked with then, I can’t remember her name. There was a woman in Hong Kong,… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 76

And so he was more or less persona non grata with a number of people because of that. But he was a far thinking individual because a lot of what he had started carried on into the SSPs and the whole cop population management situation. Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 77

And you indicated that Ernest walker and Ted Reed were interested in you and were you involved in any of these renovations of these exhibits that you said were going on?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 72

Did they ask your input or were they just telling you what was going on?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 73

In a sense they did because Ted had, I mean, by this time in the early 60s, Grimmer had left and I can’t really remember what his reason was, but it had to do with he wanted to get promoted to a different position. I can’t really remember what it… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 74

What are you talking about?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 69

So Dr. Reed had a vision for the zoo. Yes. Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 70

Did he share it with you as a keeper, or did he share it with his staff, or did you just glean this from what was going on?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 71

I think he shared it with his senior staff, and I don’t wanna blow my own horn here, but he shared it with me and so did Grimmer. Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 65

And because the last building that was completed was the Small Mammal Building, and that was in WPA period, which was in the mid 30s, the Elephant House was built during that period, the Bird House was built during the mid 20s, the Monkey House was built in the early… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 66

And it took a long time for him to start to bring in adequate personnel. And part of it was that he couldn’t get decent keepers to come in because the pay grades were so low. And so once he got everybody switched over to wage grades system, then the… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 67

Just I don’t want to back up just a second and say, explain the relationship now, when the District of Columbia was out of the picture between the Smithsonian and the National Zoo, give me the big picture of how they’re involved with each other. Well, okay. Leonard Carmichael was… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 68

And so when Ted wanted something, he usually got it or got part of it to build up either the staff or the physical plant. The collection at that time was huge anyway, but it was made up of a number of single species, older species. And so he not… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 61

What was the impact on the zoo?… Read More

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You were there?… Read More

Interview 2817 – Caption Index: 63

Was I there?… Read More

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