I think Ted Reed was important, but there are others who will probably remember it better, or it’s written in the history. It was a tough time. We didn’t know that we had the economy worked out. We were very fortunate in that, a wonderful girl who became the executive secretary of the AAZPA who just died. Margaret Dankworth. We were very fortunate in that Margaret Dankworth who had been working for us as a wing of the NRPA agreed to come with the zoo people, and had she not done so, I think the split would have been even more painful. She was enormously helpful, stayed with us for years and helped us. As she would put it, helped you keep your nose clean.