The change from being one of the tribe of NRPA associations, being lumped in with various recreational and park associations, and instead splitting out as a professional zoo association was a painful one and there were many problems of the economy and structure that had to be resolved. Much of it occurred during the time of my presidency, but not all of it. It occurred over several presidents, when I say presidency, when I was president of the Zoo Association, not of the Wildlife Conservation Society, there were several people who paid major roles. One of them was Karen Sausman. Karen Sausman is the recently retired director of the living desert. And Karen was enormously helpful during this period, personally, writing and putting together our publication and so on and so forth. There were a number of people who were quite important. I spent so long ago, I don’t recall.
