That was extraordinarily exciting for a teenager, let me tell you, just absolutely wonderful. Charlie Schroeder, the director of the San Diego Zoo was an outstanding director and I think appreciated by the entire profession. And he worked closely with me on a number of projects. Ted Reed of the National Zoo was a special colleague. And we worked together putting, a thing called the wild animal propagation trust, which was a fore runner of the SSP, and the Wild Animal Propagation Trusts was a group of elite zoos that were committing themselves to collaborate with their collections in propagating threatened species. This was before the species survival plan, and Ted and I’ve put it together and we managed to finance it to some extent, personally, at special meetings of the AZA then called the AAZPA and Ted made significant contributions. Oh, there’s so many. and I know I’m forgetting some, George Rabb at the Brookfield Zoo was a special colleague and George and I found ourselves on the board of the AAZPA together a couple of times, and took great pleasure and pushing through the board rules and legislation and efforts to professionalize the AAZPA so that we were considered practically a gang.
