If you are in a conservation organization, studying wildlife, not related to a zoo, and an animal that you are studying dies, of course you’re saddened. It’s not your fault it died in nature. If you were studying an animal in the zoo and it dies it’s your fault, whether it is or not, whether it’s superannuated or not, you feel that your fault, you got to know more, you’ve got to enable it to live longer. There’s a depth of responsibility in the zoo biologist that isn’t quite seen the same in the individual. Who’s trying to get a law passed that may be enormously important for the life of many animals as say the Audubon societies. I was wondering if that wasn’t more important than had heretofore been realized. I also felt the muddy boots approach that many biologists were pioneering, especially George Schaller had a lot to teach us and had a degree of effectiveness that had not been fully provided for. And I had George Schaller, he was my close friend and associate and a grantee and now I could make him a salary person, and get a lot of his ideas and the ideas of others that were working in the field.