I proposed the name, Wildlife Conservation Society after a lot of discussion with the societies staff, especially the staff of field biologist who were directly concerned. None of us were completely happy with the name and we experimented with many others over a period of months, but we finally settled on wildlife conservation society and recommended it to the trustees and all hell broke loose. Many of the trustees felt that we would lose the support of our New York supporters, that it would adversely affect the city and all of these were proper concerns. So we entered into a period of investigation and discussion, and eventually, especially with the help of Howard Phipps Jr. who had become president after Fairfield Osborn died in 1969, he was succeeded by Robert Goulet. Remarkable man, enormous helped to the conservation program who had also been, or also became president of the American Museum and the New York Historical Society, a real polymath and Bobby Goulet was tremendously helpful. And Bobby followed Laurence, there was Fairfield Osborn then Laurance Rockefeller, because when Fair died, I felt quite desperate. He’d been such a wonderful, powerful president.