That is a conservation product. You can’t always do it and sometimes it takes many years. That is the proper criteria in my opinion, and it’s one I’ve applied for a long time to the distress of some who’ve found it did not support grant requests. So these two groups of scientists, although maintaining close personal relationships, eventually divided and Schaller, Roger Payne, Tom Struhsaker, Rich Penny and other biologists who wanted to work in the field and wanted to resolve conservation problems, stayed with zoological society, Fernando Nottebohm and other biologist who wanted to work in the laboratory, Don Griffin, who was the director of the program originally and Peter Marler, Don from Harvard University, we’d stolen him and Peter Marler from University of California, we’d stolen those with the two directors of the effort. They decided to stay with the university though maintaining relationships with the zoological society. And that gave me the opportunity to establish a full-time staff, a field staff, because we took that group of people whose qualifications were beyond question and who had one, the knowledge and understanding of Osborn and others among the trustees and we started our new field program, which eventually became the international program of the zoological society or in 1993, we decided to change our name to the Wildlife Conservation Society.
