He was a tall, athletic man, very, very interested in wildlife, a naturalist, but a businessman. He was a graduate of Princeton and then to work on his education, he worked in the railroad yards in San Francisco. He learned somewhere to sing cowboy songs, which he did on the radio. He was an extraordinarily, he was a real polymath. He traveled very widely. He had kept birds all his life. He was very deeply interested in what the zoo was doing and deeply interested in conservation. And he gave the New York Zoological Society, a real step forward in its conservation efforts.