The wildlife conservation society was struggling, I was, I was trying to run an elephant conservation program and I had a talk with Liz Claiborne, you know who Liz Claiborne is, everybody knows who Liz Claiborne, the great stylist is, and one of the greatest American businesswomen. Liz Claiborne had been to Africa. She saw the elephants, she had an epiphany and to think that these animals were being killed the way they were. She personally called all the major distributors in New York, she made it clear that this was a shameful, immoral, and disgusting business, which it is today and was a major force in closing down this incredible traffic and it stopped, and everybody passed laws and it stopped. Why bring up Liz Claiborne, because she shows what one person who really cares who’s in a prominent position and knows it can do. We’ve got to be able to do more of that. Bill and Melinda Gates are doing wonderful things with their foundation, which we all admire. They are doing virtually nothing with regard to wildlife.
