Well, I have to go back to a time where I was raised in Columbus and that was in the Italian community near north side of Columbus. And at the time that it was, right after the Depression, my father and mother said, “We’ve gotta get out of this living with cousins and brothers and uncles, all in this one neighborhood. And it’s coming to a point where the Italian neighborhood has to dissolve itself.” And so we moved and I happened to move two doors from the director of the Columbus Zoo, who was then called the zoo superintendent. And he worked under the director of parks for Columbus. He had a son who became my best friend. He was my age and we did everything together in high school because that’s when I moved there. The day I started high school, I moved to that new address. And Don, my friend, Don Davis had friends who also were our age and we just did everything together.