The first gorillas that came to the Columbus Zoo was a male, Mack and a female, Millie and a third gorilla, a female named Goma, I believe. They were young. I was put in charge of caring for them. In fact, I picked them up at the railroad station where Earl had come back with them from getting them from an animal dealer. And so I grew up with those gorillas. They were just small at that time and really rambunctious and we were learning a lot about gorillas at that time.