Well, at the particular time in my career, someone in the zoo field and maybe more than one told the park director in Rochester, New York, who was looking for a zoo director that they ought to talk with me. And it happened to be at a conference. And so I did talk to the park director, the county park director in Rochester, New York in Monroe County. And very quickly after that, I was asked to come and be interviewed and see what their zoo was like and offer some suggestions about what could be done.