Well, it wasn’t a Mutual Omaha in those days, for Wild Kingdom. And I actually got in on the ground floor helped design the name and the program and the format. There were about three or four of us that started World Kingdom. Well, he calls you on the phone, says, “Jim, do you wanna work with me?” I mean. That was it. And of course, I hadn’t planned any of that. In fact, I got to tell you a little side story. It’s more personal, but it has a lot to do with Marlin Perkins.