But I started at Birds of Prey. I would… The Today Show came down, Dave Galloway. There used to be a program called Wide Wide World. And I did that very early on. I was flying falcons and doing all kinds of things there. But it introduced me to try to figure out how to communicate with the public there, that’s, you know, as a lecturer and as a trainer you had to know how to treat people. So that was quite a challenge.