And so that’s one way, I think I got involved through NBC and you know, it was because I was able. And I had also had experienced being on television and lecturing and showing wildlife in a serious way. I wasn’t the kind of guy that just threw something out there and tried to scare people. I had a message. And Johnny respected that. Let me say that about Johnny, Johnny respected people that had serious concerns. Now, he would also occasionally tell me, he said, look, we know all about that stuff, the ecology and ecosystems, we don’t need to talk about that. ‘Cause the scientists would come on, and talk about that stuff.
